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Post by Admin on Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:07 pm

Hi Ivan,
That was a really interesting story; no I have never heard of this before. So if you want small amounts of energy for free, then the simplest way is probably to ask for it (or not ask ;-).

I once saw a comedy spoof film set in the future, where the president of the USA had to travel in a modified Air-Force-One aeroplane. There was only a small section for people, but the rest of the plane was to accomodate the chickens, whose extrement powered the plane. The president was more than a little upset that his transport had to "rely on chicken-s#1t"

It was also interesting about the air fans powering clocks.

If you think about it, there are 1000's of areas where there is an energy surplus going to waste.

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Post by Ivan on Wed May 30, 2018 11:46 am

Hi Harry,
there used to be a "draught clock" at the railway station in Bruxelles. The draught inside the building made a propeller to rotate and it produced enough energy to keep the clock running.
You may have heard about Edison's garden gate, too. T.A.Edison had beatiful roses in his garden, but it was necessary to open a gate to smell them. Opening the gate required great force. Some of his guests asked:"What does the silly gate mean ?" The great inventor replied:"The gate is not silly, but the people are. Everyone who passes through the gate pumps several gallons of water from the well into the reservoir placed under the roof." This is free energy par excellence! I wonder how he pumped water in winter, though. Laughing

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Post by Admin on Wed May 30, 2018 10:37 am

Hi Ivan,
It is rather "clumsy" , but it is constant, and comes in the area of free energy, which was the point. It is about the only way gravity could be used. The Earth's magnetic field changes are too slow to be useful.

Probably the only other free energy sources are wind, tides, rain and light. These are all good for higher amounts of energy.

But the question "to power a clock", requires constant and free, but small amounts of energy.

If I lived in a town or in really noisy environment (beside an airport? Mosque? football ground?) then perhaps the noise levels could also be used to generate enough free energy to power a clock.


A couple of hundred years ago it was common in England top make "Bees wine". It was said that you could see the bees going up and down inside the bottle, but it was just a different type of yeast. Wines were often hung outside the window in summer and passers-by invited to give it a shove, to make it swing, to stimulate the fermentation. Now that's a thought for free energy  Very Happy

You could also make it fun ... "Please pour a cupful of water from the bottom bucket to the upper bucket, then take your coupon for a kiss/hug." With my luck I would probably have a load of men waiting  Embarassed

Ok, I have got to continue separating the Avocado leaves from the firewood after trimming the trees earlier. Just took a little break.

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Post by Ivan on Fri May 25, 2018 8:04 am

Hi,
it surely was the "Foucault's pendulum". It shows that the Earth rotates not by a perpetual motion of the weight, but by turning the plane of the swings. If the Earth were a perfectly inertial system, the pendulum would swing in the same plane anywhere. But in fact, it would rotate once per 24 hours on poles. The rotation on the equator would probably be zero.
It seems to be a rather clumsy source of power.

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Post by Admin on Fri May 25, 2018 3:59 am

> Would time be the same or just a day more longer ?
I think that the day would be infinitesimally longer, not that there would be anybody here to measure it.
It would take many billions of years to notice a difference.


> clocks are bad , they only show t...
I have stopped wearing a watch for daily use. Interesting how many times a day you look at your watch and not really read the time. Today there are clocks and calendars on every computer, mobile phone, office, streets, advertising displays, etc.


Stopped looking at my calendar. If my presence is really required in a meeting then someone will always telephone me ;-). The other 99 meetings I get to miss :-)


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Post by zsolt on Thu May 24, 2018 7:32 pm

clocks are bad , they only show the time that passes without having all thing done   Razz
Slowing down earth rotation seems a good idea ... Would time be the same or just a day more longer ?

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Post by Admin on Thu May 24, 2018 4:41 pm

I once saw a huge weight suspended on a bit of string, from the roof of a science museum in London. It must have been well over 50 metres high. It was called something like Fochat's experiment.

Due to the movement of the Earth, the weight was permanently in motion. At least that is what the tour guide said. Could this not be used.

Not perpetual motion, but free energy. The only down side would be that it would slow down the Earth's rotation, but not enough to worry about.

I think I commented on this in a previous posting (or is this 67 year old brain remembering things that have yet to occur?).

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Mechanical domestic precise clock that only needs winding up once every 10+ years?

Post by Glenndk on Thu May 10, 2018 6:08 pm

Inspired by:
http://sm0vpo.forumotion.com/t242-green-energy-or-zero-point

Admin wrote:
Hi again Alex,

Very occasionally you see something that makes you wonder. Nearly all the videos on Youtube I can easily dismiss as obvious hoaxes, but what about this machine? There are loads of videos, one even locked in a sealed metal chamber for days, with no external forces (visible).
Demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9XmRKR2S-o
Explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD3yft0XKIw

When looking at the above contraption, it should be a piece of cake to make a mechanical domestic precise clock, that only needs winding up once every 10 years? A clock based on an escapement duration based on the above contraption should be 100+ seconds? Maybe the area around the ball should be evacuated to reduce friction.

The escapement duration of this clock is typically 10 seconds?:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torsion_pendulum_clock

Clock that should work for 10.000+ years:
http://longnow.org/clock/prototype1/
http://longnow.org/clock/
http://www.10000yearclock.net/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escapement

Why not make use of the "Green Energy or Zero point" quests result?

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